Talk:Castlevania: Lords of Shadow/Archive1

Well, it's not the Alucard Castlevania game we were waiting for, but it's still good nontheless. Am I right? Parivir 23:04, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Yeah. I hope Death is in the game, it won't be like Castlevania to leave him out. Shadowmaster 23:15, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

It's a REBOOT
The game is going to be a reboot of the series, which means it will have no connection to the established time line. Debating over whether Dracula or the Belmonts will appear or not is worthless.

That doesn't mean to say that the canon won't continue on handhelds and the like.

~ Honestly, it should be in the timeline. At the end of the Gamescom trailer, Dracula pronounces, "I will rid this world of Belmont for all eternity", which kind of implies that it may be placed somewhere into the timeline. It also kind of indicates that Gabriel may be a Belmont. But that's unassured right now. ~ Parivir 23:04, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Yes, David Cox made it very clear when he said "this is not a sequel, this is not a prequel", so despite my hopes, I know that this will not have anything to do with the current games. That doesn't mean somewhere down the line some other team will try to tie their game to this one and maybe one of the other games, but for now its totally separate.

Just because no other games are canon to this game's timeline doesn't mean that certain events that happenned in the original timeline didn't happen in this game's timeline though. I consider this game to be a reboot of the series starting off where the original Castlevania game started out with. In the original Castlevania, they made it very clear that Simon was not the first Belmont and that he and his family had been battling Dracula for ages. This game seems to start with the same premise, that there is this family called Belmonts and that they have been using this whip to battle Dracula for a while now, or at least once before. I think that Gabriel is a substitute for Simon in this game, Simon himself probably never existed in this timeline. They could have called him Simon, but he's has so many makeovers it was better to use a new name. --Castlevania: Symphony of the Night|Reinhart77]] 23:47, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

The 4th Different Approach
Much as the 1st approach of Castlevania was changed to a Metroid type of gameplay (with some RPG elements included) from Castlevania: Symphony of the night onwards and then Castlevania: Lament of Innocence introduced a Devil May Cry type gameplay (which retained the RPG elements of the 2nd approach) and now Castlevania: Lords of Shadow seems to be in the making with a God of War type gameplay (if the trailer is any indication). --Vae Infectus 17:06, November 25, 2009 (UTC)

E3 2010 - June 14-17
Hey, E3 is pretty near now and LoS has been confirmed as part of the show, as well as Encore of the Night. Be ready for some new trailers (I hope!) Nothing about Harmony of Despair, however. -Chernabogue 11:35, June 6, 2010 (UTC)

New Pictures
Please somebody upload the images from this page:

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And a question

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this guy ... "Cornell? in the trailer never mention the presence of Cornell. I think his real name is Abbot Dorin, if is mentioned in the trailer (minute 3:00)

E3 NEW TRAILER
Some things I found interesting in the new trailer : (may be some speculations)

- The name "Abbot Dorin" remembers me of Vincent Dorin, the monk/seller from Portrait of Ruin. Same family?
 * Names and characters identity

- The dark swordsman in armor that Gabriel fights has no head : may it be Dullahan?

- The man in the dark with the sharp nails and the "demonic belt" : Dracula?

- Every actor has the name of the character he/she voices, but nothing about Jason Isaacs : does he voice Dracula?

- A picture of a "momified" skeleton with a scythe-like weapon is shown : Death? It doesn't look like him however. - No more information about Claudia, Pan, the Lady of the Forest.

- Laura says "Mother (...)" to Gabriel while speaking of Carmilla. Is Carmilla the mother of Laura? In other games, Laura is described as "Carmilla's follower".
 * Carmilla and Laura

- Zobek speaks about Carmilla and the power of love, saying "she will cry bloody treas". Bloody Tears is actually Carmilla's theme in Judgment. Quite interesting.

- Lot of speculation about Carmilla before this new trailer, now she's announced as a enemy : does she have something to do with the Mask? Because in a lot (every?) of Cv games, she has a mask/skull with her.

- Carmilla says that resurrection is impossible, possibly referring to Gabriel's will to get Marie back.

- The Combat Cross seems to have a big spike end at its bottom and it is seen that Gabriel uses it to stab a vampire (Carmilla transformed?) into his/her heart.
 * Other things

- We can see Gabriel with angel wings : referring to the war between Heaven and Earth?

- Marie is seen in a lot of cutscenes in the trailer and during a titan fight with Gabriel : did she died before OR during LoS?

- The big titan in the end of the trailer has a head that looks like a lot to the Mask.

- Cornell looks older than in Cv64/Judgment : maybe LoS is set after these games?

- Release date : Fall 2010. (Yeah!) -Chernabogue 14:46, June 16, 2010 (UTC)

Could you please tell where you can find it? I've been looking for an hour or so. Shadowmaster 16:07, June 16, 2010 (UTC)

Yep, I found it here : http://www.xbox360-gamer.net/download-video-xbox-360-castlevania---lords-of-shadow_7378.html -Chernabogue 16:57, June 16, 2010 (UTC)

1. Well, it's a reboot, so it's set before LoD (Legacy of Darkness) and Judgement. Cornell does look really old, though. 2. Marie died before the game, I think, she is just a guide to Gabriel, because she is forced to stay on Earth. Also, Gabriel's quest is to find the mask to revive her. 3. Carmilla's attack in almost all of the games she has been in is also bloody tears. 4. Abbot Dorin is probably some kind of helper to Gabriel, possibly even a merchant. 5. The titan is probably a coincidence, but I hope the final boss is some kind of manifestation of the mask. 6. Claudia will be in the game, her name was listed and the person who voices her.

Shadowmaster 14:49, June 18, 2010 (UTC)

Wait, is that character in the scene with the earth titan Marie or Claudia? Because Claudia has blonde hair, and so does that character in the scene with the earth titan. Shadowmaster 16:50, June 18, 2010 (UTC)

It's Claudia. Marie has brown/black hair, while Claudia has blonde hair. -Chernabogue 13:52, June 22, 2010 (UTC)

New Characters
Cornell's name and the voice actor that plays him is flashed by, although not at a location in the trailer that actually physically shows Cornell. If you look closely, you will see that the part of Cornell's uniform that goes around his waist is the same as his Legacy of Darkness incarnation. I found out that this long bearded fellow was Cornell on the Castlevania Dungeon board from someone who had some kind of a press guide, but the clothes confirmed it for me. Also, since Lords of Shadow does not take place in the same "universe" as Legacy of Darkness, his age or what year the game takes place in is irrelevant as the two games have no connection other than borrowed elements. We know the year that the game takes place in, around 1050.

As for Carmilla and Laura, I'm guessing that Laura is calling Carmilla "Mother" because Carmilla is the one who turned Laura into a vampire, not gave birth to her.--Reinhart77 14:22, June 16, 2010 (UTC)

--Reinhart77 14:22, June 16, 2010 (UTC)

Oh, yes, it may be that why she calls her "Mother". Good point ;) ! I noticed that the song "Vampire Killer" can be heard at the very end of the trailer. And as for the bad guy, who must be Dracula, I think it's him because he's the only one who says "Die, Belmont !" while other characters call Gabriel by his name. -Chernabogue 14:46, June 16, 2010 (UTC)

Well, this is a whole new storyline, a reboot. They can change many things. Maybe Carmilla really is Laura's mother (although I'd prefer your reason, Reinhart77). I guess we'll find out. Shadowmaster 14:34, June 18, 2010 (UTC)

I doubt Dracula will be in. I think the developers wants a fresh start, without all the sillyness in the previous games. Block

I think Dracula is the most important part in a Castlevania game. I doubt he wouldn't be in this game, but this is still speculation. -Chernabogue 04:54, August 5, 2010 (UTC)

I have a gut feeling it may be Dracula. But, since it is a reboot, and some creators like to dink around with the storyline of long running games. I wouldn't be surprised if they made Alucard the main baddie. as horrible sounding that idea is. =/ --Angeloni87

The real Lords of Shadow
So, are Carmilla, Necromancer/Death and Cornell the big bosses? -Chernabogue 08:34, September 10, 2010 (UTC)

I corrected it. Japanese magazine Famitsu written Cornell is one person of three Lords of Shadow. other two person are unknown.--Kiyuhito 10:56, September 10, 2010 (UTC)

OK, thanks for the info. It may be Carmilla and Dracula. We'll know it soon! -Chernabogue 16:57, September 10, 2010 (UTC)

Canon or not?
SPOILERS (in case of) Alright, now we now the ending and everything about the plot. So, if the next battle is the Demon Castle War (1999) (Demon = Satan in fact), is this game canon finally? And will Julius Belmont show up then? -Chernabogue 07:55, October 4, 2010 (UTC)

NO. --Kiyuhito 08:58, October 4, 2010 (UTC)

Oh... OK then. Would be cool though. -Chernabogue 17:01, October 4, 2010 (UTC)

Major unmarked spoiler, thanks!
Whoever wrote the caption for Dracula's picture containing the massive unmarked spoiler...thanks!

Spoiler Proof Page
Spoiler proof this page! The entire story is ruined for me now with those lords of shadow picture captions and dracula's picture caption. All I was looking for were tips about some of the items and relics, and now I know how the story plays out. Thanks a lot to the retard that posted those captions. F'in moron!

Response
Could someone who knows about the game already take steps needed to spoiler proof the page. I'm personally avoiding all pages related to Lords of Shadow so that it doesn't spoil it for myself. I'd recommend anyone else to do the same who wants to avoid spoilers.--Reinhart77 14:47, October 7, 2010 (UTC)

Also, when creating new pages related to LoS, please add spoiler-proof details in the "Summary" field. Some plot points were spoiled for me because the initial content of a new page was visible on the "Recent changes" page of the wiki.--Reinhart77 14:52, October 7, 2010 (UTC)

I have the game guide, so I can spoiler-proof the page. Shadowmaster 23:45, October 7, 2010 (UTC)

Spoiler Warning !! Spoiler Discussion
"Lord of the Dead" is Death?--Kiyuhito 07:16, October 9, 2010 (UTC)

Should divide "Dracula" and "Dracul(Gabriel)" ?--Kiyuhito 09:42, October 9, 2010 (UTC)

Mmh, good question. Yes, you should and put something like "For Lords of Shadow's Dracula, see Dracul" on the Dracula page. -Chernabogue 10:43, October 9, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah. The only similarity between Dracula and Dracul is that both are from the Cronqvist family, and are vampires.

And I believe Zobek/Lord of the Dead is not Death. That's like saying Carmilla (Lords of Shadow) is the new Dracula, just because she rules a castle. Shadowmaster 13:41, October 9, 2010 (UTC)

Gabriel says "Eu sunt Dracul," which is Romanian for "I am Dracula." Dracul isn't a different name, it's precisely Dracula, in Romanian. Kefuka 15:02, October 9, 2010 (UTC)

Also, the concept art gallery for the epilogue explicitly calls him Dracula. Dazuro 10:22, October 10, 2010 (UTC)

Dracul and Dracula are two different names in Romanian. The title of Vlad Tepes' father was Dracul which translates as "Dragon or Devil" while Tepes himself was named Dracula which means "son of the Dragon/Devil".

I'm editing this post. The game does take place in the original timeline. and whowever posted this is completely wrong. Dracula does not pronounce "I will rid this world of Belmont for all eternity" It is Satan that says "I will rid this world of Belmont for all eternity" Basically once you defeat Satan, your hero gets to see Marie one last time and after that he goes mad and becomes Dracula. then all those games from the past starting with the first Castlevania game ever, till the most recent ones takes place, then finally Zobek appears and asks Gabriel (Dracula as he names himself after telling zobek not to call him Gabriel) to help stop Satan on his return in present day time. So I fail to see how this game does not co-inside with the storyline. Especially since it takes place in the early 1000's (year 1047) I think the story with Richter takes place even after that, and simons quest etc. One peice of evidence that 100% supports my above statement is, the weapon you use in the game hasn't even been named "Vampire Killer" yet, atleast not untill you save the villagers from the Vampires, which is when it gets it's legendary name. Prove me wrong. But the whip in question already had the name Vampire Killer in all the other games that it was used in by the Belmonts. And it makes perfect sense. The brotherhood sent Gabriel to stop the lords of shadow, then he ends up gaining all their powers and becoming Dracula. So basically he is The Lord of Shadow (Darkness) whatever you want to call him. Then the brotherhood sends Belmonts to slay him when his Castle Appears.
 * K.I.S.S 92.11.221.167 01:08, October 14, 2010 (UTC)

You are completely wrong on that one. The first game in the original CV story took place in the 1090's (Lament of Innocence), and showed how Dracula came into being. So, basically, that shoots down your entire theory. Plus, way before the game was released, someone said that the game was in an alternate timeline. I suggest you read alot more about Castlevania. Shadowmaster 20:27, October 16, 2010 (UTC)


 * Well to be fair Lament of Innocence implies how Dracula came into being. The game itself doesn't actually physically show Mathias Cronqvist taking on the name Dracula. I'm not even sure it says anywhere in the game specifically (epilogue or otherwise) that Mathias became Dracula (if I'm not misremembering)? That's another story in the original timeline that still needs to be told (but has only been alluded to in one of the bonus timelines, and finally mentioned in Judgment as I recall during Dracula's story), It's one of many stories that IGA kept on alluding to in his games, but never got around to making since he kept on creating original games (with few ties to previous games), that created newer holes in his timeline (and more untold stories).
 * Still, the developers of LOS have said that Lords of Shadow is the reboot of the continuity, and thus is its own timeline. It has inspiration from the previous timeline but reinterprets places, characters, etc. It should not be thought of as part of the original timeline. To do so is go against the Mercury Steams intent and known information.
 * As far as story goes I think this new continuity has the potential of being much deeper than the previous timeline. I can't wait to see what they do with it. Who knows we might see reinterpretations of favorite characters, like Simon, Richter, Alucard, et al in future installments (but expect them to take a different storyline route than in previous timeline). Not the first time though, look at how Richter's story has two alternate versions in the previous timeline (Rondo and Chronicles).76.232.176.26 22:24, October 16, 2010 (UTC)

Cornell, Carmilla and........ is Lords of Shadow. Is the page that explains the Lords of Shadow necessary?--Kiyuhito 09:55, October 23, 2010 (UTC)

New Images, Concept arts
Can Someone upload it? (sorry for my english)

http://picasaweb.google.com/100489365556523803691/CastlevaniaLordsOfShadow#

Oh, thanks for the link! We'll upload the most important pictures for the wiki. -Chernabogue 19:27, October 15, 2010 (UTC)

Good set of images. I'll snatch pics from here as I work on location and enemy pages. I'm basically going a chapter at a time once I've completed a chapter (and I'm playing the game pretty slowly). --Reinhart77 22:22, October 15, 2010 (UTC)

Little spoilers - "Lords of Shadow 2"
Composer Oscar Araujo declared in an interview that "if fans thought LoS was spectacular, then they'll be surprised by the second one". Quote translated from a French VG website. So, will the next game be the Demon Castle Wars with LoS story? Would be cool. -Chernabogue 11:17, October 16, 2010 (UTC)