Board Thread:Lords of Shadow 2/@comment-9249716-20130609232735/@comment-99.115.61.255-20140315190422

CreepyAuthor wrote:

91.140.20.228 wrote:

71.7.163.57 wrote: Did you read my above post?

First and foremost, God DOES NOT depend on worshippers. He created the world, even Satan himself. He also created the Old Gods, and atleast one was loyal to Him(Pan). I really don't get why you are ignoring established lore. I recommend you look up Satan's article. Read about his fall, and the reasoning.

Wait, so Zobek, an enemy of God and a major series antagonists, refers to religion negatively, means God is evil? Seriously?

Satan wanted to be equal or greater than God, and led a revolt in Heaven. He despised the fact that God wants to save "mere apes", Humanity.

Lets analyze this. In the Lords of Shadow Series, Satan is the ultimate antagonist who wants to control, destroy or enslave humanity. God on the other hand wants to save humanity, and thanks to God, Dracula defeated both Zobek and Satan. If God didn't help, then Dracula would have died, or worse, consumed by Carmilla. So using in-game lore and facts, we can say clearly that God is a protagonist.

Definition of apathetic "showing or feeling no interest, enthusiasm, or concern"

Obviously you never played the games if you said this. There were so many times where had God not intervened and played his cards perfectly, Gabriel would have perished and Satan would have destroyed or conquered the world.

Oh and Satan was not an Old God.

Although I am no prophet, I am certain that there is a VERY low chance that Mercury Steam will make God into a bad guy.

In all honesty,you should be banned from posting in this site.

You are being offensive with no valid reason whatsoever,against everyone who doesn't share your opinion.

(By the way i'm the one who said that God depends on worshipping)

I think that you are getting offended due to your irl beliefs,get over that. Castlevania's is a fictional universe. If you were deeply religious and you saw something that offended you because of your beliefs, how would you feel if someone told you to 'get over it'? This person is defending his or her beliefs in a logical form, not just theological. Now, I'm an agnostic, I'm not so sure about religion, but I do know a thing or two about it. God doesn't need worship to exist, he existed before there was such a thing as worship. Satan rbelled because he wanted God's power, nor is he and Old God, but a fallen angel. I don't know if he created the Old Gods, but it is possible. Though it's also possible thy Pan was simply following a path he believed in and was indifferent to God. He was defending his beliefs in a logical way while being offensively impolite and letting his theological predispositions influence his judgment in a videogame featuring a fictional universe in which many things do not stay true to their mythical origins. If the Chupacabra is not a race of blood-sucking monsters, but rather an immortal trickster with immense magical power, or if Pan is not a Greek God but a follower of the One God, or if Agreus is not a spawn of Pan but rather his brother, is it possible that God in LoS is different from his religious portrayals? I believe the answer should be "yes".

From an objective point of view -not a religious one, the guy claiming God is the antagonist was arguing his point in a purely analytical way, without being actively offensive (unless you consider saying anything bad about clearly fictional God in a clearly fictional universe with barely any relation to our own, in which God may or may not exist depending on your faith, offensive). The guy above, however, used inflamatory phrases such as "Did you read my above post?", "Obviously you never played the games if you said this", or sarcastic ones like "Oh and Satan was not an Old God." He also made groundless assumptions, claiming that the other guy was an aetheist who enjoys seeing God being labeled the bad guy. Nobody likes be incorrectly labeled, especially if such labeling was based purely on one's own mental set. He can be a Christian, a Buddhist, or he can worship the Flying Spaghetti Monster - it's his own business. If he's being rude, his belief should not be used as an excuse.

This discussion, obviously, is about God in the LoS universe,not the God in our world, so arguments should not extend beyond this fictional universe we have constrained ourselves in. Looking only at evidences in the games, what can we conclude?

- God does exist, because Satan exists and he wants revenge against God. Judging from Satan's dialogues, God in LoS shares at least some similarities with God in Christianity.

- God may have created the universe, or He may not have. The guy above, once again, claimed it as a FACT that God created everything, includinng the Old Gods, despite having no evidence to back it up. Pan may simply be following God because God is more powerful/righteous/wise.

- God may need prayers to be powerful, or he may not. As far as the LoS universe is concerned, God may simply be another deity who has somehow claimed supreme power over all others. (Again, I'm not being blasphemous here, something the guy above might assume. God in LoS might be different from our God). The facts are that the Old Gods were worshipped by humanity before the One God, and this change in worshipping also signaled a change in authority. Again, correlation does not mean causation, but it certainly hints at a possiblity.

- God can certainly influence event on Earth, though the extent of said influence is questionable. Judging from God's lack of interaction with any character, from the fact the 3 Brotherhood Founders had to go to places where "God's influence was most powerful", and from the fact that Satan is severely weakened on Earth in LoS1, it might be argued that God can only affect things passively and indirectly. God has allowed evil things to flourish, this is the fact. Whether or not he does this on purpose or is simply unable to directly prevent it is up to discussion.

- God maybe absolutely benevolent, or he may not be. God may have control over Fate, or the Mirror of Fate may be an entirely independent entity of its own kind. Applying religious faiths in a fictional universer in which many things are not held constant is a flawed practice.